Welcome to the CaPetBan.com Website
This site was created to fight The California State Fish and Game Commission’s proposed regulations: State hearings on November 5, 2009 could eliminate due process and allow officers to seize pets if they “look” related to a wild animal.
This affects any “wolfy” looking canine, i.e. Tamaskans, Utonagans, Siberian Husky, German Shepherds, Northern Inuit Dog, Wolf Dogs, Akitas, Belgian Shepherds….
These regulations specifically authorize the officers and wardens to determine the species of your pet without the burden of proof, and requires the application of the “most protective” standard. This will enable the state and local animal regulation to seize your pets, force you to provide containment systems that most people cannot meet or afford and perhaps worse. Fish and Game standards are the basis for many protocols and actions for local animal control. Many other breeds and species are also affected, and this could be the start of a ban on other full breeds from the State of California.
CaPetBan is fighting this effort.
Please visit our site to read about the issue, and to fight the ban.
Please sign our PETITION to be submitted at the hearings, and learn about other ways that you can help fight for California’s pets.
Print a FLYER to post in public areas and distribute to friends & pet lovers.
Sign up for our MAILING LIST and get news updates — this fight will continue until we have protected our animals from unreasonable seizure! *We will respect your rights and keep your e-mail address private. Your name, city and zip code will be submitted with the petition.
And check our ACTION ALERT page to see how else you can help fight this issue.
We will be posting news and updates on this page.
35 comments
hi my name is debbie i have been posting now 4 our wolfs &fur babies 4 almost 2 yrs now i have seen alot of pain &hurt&heart breakeing things but what hurt,s the most is we all have furbabies and when did it come 2#pass that we have,t 2 #now fight 4 we so dearly love it is very hard every day 2 post&repost &endure the hurt&pain ii feel 4 all the abused&homeless&abandonment of perious lifes that are taken&dumped or killed because of inhumen low life pices of crape i can not strees enough how many lifs our lossed on a daily baces omg it is so wrong plz every 1#join me&help us help the helpless plz dont let this end here prayers 2 all that are fight as 4 me ill never back down &you who read this can join me at wolfdogsneedhomes@ning.com hugs&howls
I’ve witnessed this first-hand here in Canada, and have seen and heard of it through affiliates of (wolfdog) rescue in the US.
My genuine and LEGITIMATE concern is WHO is making the call and determination that these dogs are, in fact, directly related to wild canid blood? I have had my dealings with SPCA’s and F&W officials who couldn’t tell a wolf from a coyote, nor either of these from a dog that resembled both. My GSD/Rotti cross has been mistaken not once, but three times, for a wolf dog. My Husky/Collie has been mistaken for a Coyote cross, and my PB Alaskan Malamute mistaken for a wolf, so many times I have lost count … The worst one yet was when my wolf was called a HUSKY! These people are by far anything but experts in their field.
This is a HUGE mistake and many innocent dogs will pay the price for humans ignorance and inexperience.
As far as I’m concerned, these people can’t tell their asshole from a hole in the ground when it really comes down to it.
It is horrible to think that people with little to no education or animal knowledge could take away and destroy an animal!
We all need to ban together and fight! I will not allow open hunting season for dog catchers! Let alone the idea of some moron reporting a family walking a husky down the street that looks Wolfy.
Is this the Salem wolf trials now?
Great job on the website gang! Keep up the good work and let us know what else we can do to fight!
As a resident of Ontario where the ‘pit bull’ ban has ensnared everything from purebred Labs and Vislas to Jack Russells I would have liked to have been able to leave a comment on the petition as to how dangerous this type of legislation is.
Having been involved in wolf and wolfdog rescue now for going on 27 years, miss-labeling of dogs as wolfdogs has been a major plight of mine day in and day out. It took years for me to convince, and earn the respect of many counties here in VA to allow me to phenotype suspected wolfdogs so a proper decision could be made by the local Animal Control authorities on whether or not to tag the animal a wolfdog, which requires a 501(c)3 rescue such as ours, to take over adoption or to label the animal a dog and simply make it adoptable to the general public. In over 85% of the cases, the animal turned out to be a dog.
The potential for disaster in this proposed legislation that California seeks is beyond comprehension and must be stopped, especially with respect to Northern breed dogs. The lack of education on the true temperament of the domestic wolfdog must be addressed as well. California legislators need to pause and reflect at this time, and allow those who are recognized for their knowledge in wolfdogs and other breeds to meet, educate, and discuss all concerns prior to any major change in pet laws, not matter what changes they may be.
This is the United States of America, not Nazi Germany. Come on California………work with your people and their animals.
Who makes up these crazy laws? Our politicians need to be spending their time and our money more wisely! Remember this at election time!
This message is for the officials in Sacramento, please stop attacking our pets! Please work on important issues such as global warming, the failing California state budget, rampant unemployment, deteriorating schools, escalating gang violence and crumbling infrastructure. Please stay away from our furry friends, we love our pets — you politicians, not so much!
I cannot understand why the government feels they have to continue micro-managing government by making more and more laws. Pretty soon we’ll get arrested for sneezing or farting.
I have two GSDs. One is a bi-color and one is a sable. Most idiots don’t even realize they are German Shepherds. I had one solid black German Shepherd. One stupid woman told me that I didn’t know what I was talking about. The dog was solid black and fairly large so it must be a Lab. I think a 95lb lab wouldn’t be a bit obese wouldn’t you?
All our dog has to do after this and the goverment other “dog law” all out dog has to do it bark once and when the neighbors calls to complain, that is the end of our furry friend.
Hello everybody, I hope my LONG letter does not cause any undo problems, I had a request to post what I sent to the Commissioner, anybody that wants to use part or all of what I wrote feel free to do so if it will help in any way.
“Dear Commissioner, For Proposed Regulation Section 681, Title 14, California Code of Regulations
I just received some rather alarming news concerning a proposed regulation for Section 681, Title 14, California Code of Regulations concerning hybrid animals and plants. First let me say I agree with the concept that regulations need to be in place for Fish And Game to regulate dangerous situations and need to close loopholes in the law. I myself work as a regulator for the State of California regulating insurance companies and am a proponent of proper and good regulations being in place for the betterment of society as a whole.
I do however believe any proposed regulations concerning hybrid animals should regulate the humans that do not care for, treat, or breed these animals properly, not the animals themselves or the confiscation and destruction of these animals, nor effect the people who do care for, love and treat these animals properly and in a responsible manner. As such I feel the proposed regulation is seriously flawed in that it is too wide sweeping and would be more detrimental than good. Though it may be true some unscrupulous people may for their own means try to get around proper care and treatment of animals by claiming exemption from current regulations by legal wrangling, the proposed regulation has not been properly thought out and would impact many people which do not condone such behavior and shun those who do, and the animals the responsible owners love. This is mainly in dealing with wolfdogs, which are considered a domestic breed in other areas. These are not ferocious beast of myth, and as with any breed of dog, it is the actual owner/companion who raises the animal and care for the animal that influences the behavior and disposition of the animal. Wolfdogs, Akitas, German Shepards, Huskys, and good ol’ American mutts that may just look like “hybrids” and such do not have a predetermined disposition for violence or aggression, they start out the same as a Poodle, Terrier, Pomeranian or any other small domestic breed of dog. The fear comes from the size of the animal compared to the smaller breeds and the myth surrounding actual wolves as being dangerous to humans which has no factual basis. After being around many of these creatures for years it is a fact they are actually fearful of humans, rightfully so, since we are the top predators on the planet and the most dangerous creatures on the planet. Just look at the matter being discussed here, we as humans are discussing the fate and possible murder of good animals that have done nothing wrong that we don’t even know, how barbaric and dangerous is that?
It is important to realize this legislation would be far wider sweeping than intended. The mere cost of finding these dogs, the cost of animal control to destroy them, the cost of housing the animals in shelters, the legal challenges including enforcing agencies to conduct DNA testing when challenged individually in court and court costs alone would be far more than the current operating budget of many counties. I personally can see those costs would be in six digit figures within a year. Did anybody doing research on the anticipated costs do any sort of thinking about all these costs? Or did they just think nobody would notice and wouldn’t fight any of this? After reading the material it appears whomever put this proposed legislation together just put in the usual “no fiscal impact” answer to the questions without actually conducting any studies. Mere common sense would indicate severe fiscal impact for cities, counties and the State. I for one do not want my taxpayer dollars spent on this flawed legislation and the backlash if it actually is made into a regulation. What are we going to tell schoolchildren and their parents that don’t have the proper books; I’m sorry we could not provide the books for the children to read because we had to spend the money to destroy an animal that did not harm anybody but merely because of the way it looks? Maybe destroy that child’s cherished companion.
I for one would sue anybody and everybody responsible if my companion was confiscated and I know hundreds of others that would as well if their dogs were confiscated. Not to mention the toll and severe backlash on politicians that supported this legislation at the next election. If those politicians aspire to another term, or to move up in government public service they would face tremendous public disapproval. Remember, good ol’ American mutts would fall into the “hybrid” category along with some pure breeds, this would mean the number of people affected by this flawed legislation would be in the hundreds of thousands in California alone, and there would be the support of millions around the planet. And that doesn’t even include the hybrid cat owners which themselves are in the tens of thousands. The Internet is a valuable resource for getting the word out about proposed legislation like this one, not only to those affected in California, but those with an interest around the World, and that has already started. The Husky rescue people, the German Shepard rescue people, the Akita rescue people, the Wolf rescue people, the Wolfdog rescue people, the Malamute rescue people, Samoyed rescue people and various hybrid cat rescue people and people rescuing regular American mutts and all their supporters. That is a huge amount of people to make angry for proposed legislation that is flawed and would not benefit society.
To many dog lovers it would be like taking their child and they would not give up without a fight, even many of those with the job of enforcing this legislation would not want to and would fight it. The numbers of people fighting this would be far more than the estimates you may have. This is something any city, county or state agency in California cannot afford in these economic times. Make no mistake, the legal implications alone would cause any of those entities to go bankrupt. I as a state employee sure would not want the State to go bankrupt, we already had the problems with vouchers earlier this year and the budget problems. But you better believe if it came down to my companion or my job, my companion would win out no contest. I already got support from many voters just from them reading this letter and they are willing to sign a petition to that extent with their home addresses, some don’t even have dogs. Are you willing to take personal responsibility for this seriously flawed legislation though you may not had fully written it? Are you personally willing to stand up and accept the blame for it when entities trying to enforce this proposed legislation lose money in trying to fight all the challenges and cover the overwhelming costs?
We cannot let a few immoral humans effect the lives of most by “profiling” certain animals which start out naive and with a good disposition, creatures such as wolfdogs, Akitas, German Shepards, Malamutes, Huskys, American mutts etc. We have been fighting racial profiling in humans, fighting the human basic instinct of clannish behavior of “us” vs. “them” which leads to racial discrimination, leads to status discrimination, and leads to discrimination of other animal species. As with other predators there is competition of resources, yet predators are needed for life on this planet to survive, sharks are needed, bears are needed, wolves are needed, tigers are needed or life on this planet as we know it would drastically change for the worse, the resources of the planet could not provide enough for all animals, including humans, that are left.
Yet being the top predator gives us responsibilities we must not take lightly and has also given us a chance to interact with other species in unique ways, ways that shape their evolutionary path and change their dispositions and attributes. This interaction caused a close companionship to form between man and wolf that humans have with no other species. This companionship was and is so strong that we as humans began to modify the wolf, to mess with the genes, to mutate the wolf so as it can hardly be recognized from what it started out as, merely looking at a Pomeranian lap dog would give little to no indication it is closely related to a wolf.
Every breed of dog started out as a “hybrid” at one time or another, there was no Poodle and no Pomeranian, they were bred by humans by bringing two existing creatures together. We cannot let a far sweeping flawed regulation effect the bond between close companions, we already have far too many of those. An example is early legislation in some states of humans of different races who prefer to be intimately involved with those of a different race ie marriage. This is now considered by most to be illegal and flawed legislation.
Personally I do not want to prohibit the happiness of others for my own personal beliefs as long as they are not an immediate threat to my life and to those I care for deeply, I as an individual have no right to intrude and become a threat to their life and those they care for. If a person wants to raise a cow properly on their land outside of city limits, I don’t want to make them give up the animal just because I may take a drive by their place and the smell of manure may cause me to wrinkle my nose. Many of us who love our 4 legged companions, and care for them deeply, raise them properly and care for them properly should not have to live in fear for our lives and the lives of our companions from the shortsightedness of some, or from myths that are not based on fact, but merely on fear. Wolfdogs may be considered a hybrid now, much like a Pomeranian was many years ago, but they have no predisposed nature to be vicious killing machines no more than human babies do, yet some humans do go on to become just that, as do some dogs of any breed due to being improperly cared for and raised. If regulations need to be passed it should be on the breeding and care of these animals by pertaining to the humans that are supposed to care for them. We as humans have taken the ability of wolves and dogs to survive on their own away, we have bred them to the point they need us to survive, they are no longer the respected hunters our ancestors admired and became so closely involved with. We have started down a path with this species so long ago they have become the closest of companions with us, they need us to provide for them, to care for them, to give them love and companionship, and many of us humans do just that. Our individual companions are family members and deeply integrated in our lives. To have them taken away and destroyed is like what is happening in wars on this planet where husbands and fathers are taken away in the night never to be seen by their families again, make no mistake the feelings and emotions are that intense.
I urge you to consider this proposed legislation for what it is, flawed, a wide sweeping profiling of animals that cannot speak for themselves, a genocide if you will of animals that we have helped make. Legislation is needed to give the Fish and Game authority to stop the humans that abuse these animals, that make them as mean and nasty as those individual humans themselves, just as unfit parents raise problem humans must be regulated. The animals themselves, the various breeds, the so called “hybrids” are not a danger, they are not inherently evil or vicious, they are the same as the small breeds which were at one time also “hybrids”. We as humans need them as they need us, they become family and cherished, for some they are sole companions and are a blessing.
Please do not let this flawed proposed regulation pass, it would cause far more harm than any good and would be detrimental to our society, not only here in California, but the rest of the Country and this planet. It would cause tension between hundreds of thousands of people, there would be legal battles. Politicians supporting this would lose support and their opponents would gain support, the court costs would be large on any scale, merely testing DNA of dogs for court challenges, of which there would be many, would be astronomical. Housing the dogs at a shelter would be more than most shelters’ current annual budget not to mention potential animal abuse of overcrowding, and any monetary losses to entities trying to enforce this would be disastrous. We already have enough of that happening as you can plainly see when reading the news.
Thank you for your time and patience.
Sincerely,
Duane Neja
Concerned California resident, registered voter and wolfdog lover”
I agree with what Sissy said. I signed the petition eventhough I’m not in Cali and have also passed it onto my friends. I just don’t understand…
grazie per quello che fate.SIAMO SEMPRE DI PIU’ IN TUTTO IL MONDO.go action!!!baci
My name is Andrea..I have been involved with Wolf-Dogs & Wolves for about 30 yrs & can truly attest to these Animals being caucious of humans, very intelligent, loyal & non-aggressive as a whole..It seems like this proposed law came out of the wood-work? What is wrong with these PPL that come up with such a bizarre & ridiculous proposal? What is this supposed to accomplish? Are they trying to ban PPL from having large dogs, except for Hunting Dogs? (The NRA & Special Interest Groups backing the Wild Wolf Killings?) BSL is very dangerous to our rights & the very lives of our dogs! We don’t have many rights left, folks! Just the idea that some novice person(s) can walk onto your property & proclaim your dog unfit to own as a Pet because the dog may have a long snout like a Wolf is outrageous to say the least!!! Furthermore, them having the right to take your dog(s) away to have them destroyed is absoluetly unconstitutional, unconscionable & morally insane!
What I am really interested in knowing is: How does the AKC play into all of this? If a dog is reg with AKC, does that not mean it is Purebred? Another thing: How would a Service Dog of any breed be viewed???
We have to stop this nonsense before it goes any further & starts destroying our beloved Wolf-Dogs & other breeds as well! Can you imagine the long trem effect this kind of thing would have on a child; seeing their dog dragged away from it’s own home to be killed? I know if that happened to me as a kid~it would leave a permanent emotional scar!
The madness has to end before it begins!!!!!!
As if what the government is doing to wolves in the wild isn’t bad enough, now we have this to worry about. It seems the government has become so obsessed with killing wolves, that now they intend seize to kill our beloved pets just because they may have some wolf ancestry or bear wolf like appearances! The lives of many of our beloved pets and companion animals depends on us stopping this horrible legislation that is being proposed against them. Lets all hope and pray that we will stop this travesty from becoming a law, and save our beloved animal companions.
I can not believe in this day and age that propositions like this are still being considered. How can someone decide one day that it is ok destruct a family and the pets they love so much? I have a husky mix and yes he shares a small percentage of wolf, but all dogs do. DOGS ARE DESCENDANTS FROM WOLVES, how can be people be so ignorant to discriminate on a certain breeds. If one dog of a certain breed contributes to an attack or demonstrates bad behavior people love to stick with the stereotype. My dog is the best dog in the world, and I know every pet owner thinks so.
If you are member of the Natural resources Defense Council you are aware of the destruction the wolves go through already. Extermination of wolves is encouraged, and when people had the opportunity to kill they did. Last year the endangered species protection that protected the wolves was voided and in “120 days, 110 wolves were gunned down.” Why can’t people open their eyes and why are we trying to eliminate anything beautiful this world obtains. Rainforest and endless species have been demolished and become endangered from the hands of man. Look around, what I see is a world infested with pollution, judgment, and war. I ashamed to say that my state is even considering this proposition it is just another fight against nature. If they go through with this, they are adding to the flame to the fire of global warming.
I believe it came out of the fact Fish and Game had some problems in court over some poeple saying the animals they killed or have are hybrids, since they were not classified as a wolf, which was specifiaclly referred to in the regulations but a cross, legally they had no authority and so the person got off free. It also seems the wording was made as a what could happen, meaning they are trying to have authority over species that could be developed through new techniques, such as DNA manipulation in the lab.
Now if a hunter goes out and kills a bunch of wolfdogs and Fish and Game catch him then yes, I want them to be able to punish that person and not let him get off by a technicality in the regulaions, which is what I guess was happening. However this new proposed legislation is so far sweeping that they would be able to take anything that looks like a wolf or coyote and that is and not even prove through DNA it actually is, that is just not right! As I stated in my letter the regulations should be on the PEOPLE and not the animals, which unfortunately also gets into a grey area because then they could require outlandish, unaffordable containment requirements.
I had a slight problem a few years ago, my boy, Lobo, somehow got out while I was at work, I still don’t know how he did it, anyway he went to a local high school, some of the kids were petting him until animal control came and picked him up, when I went down to the shelter to bail him out I was walking to his cage and an animal control officer stopped me and said “Do you know what he is?!” in a not so nice tone, I said “Yes, he is a malamute.” I had a cool vet that put Malamute on his forms, though we both knew what he really was. The animal control person said “No he is not, you know what he is!” and I asked him what my boy is exactly and he said “A wolf!” I laughed and said “No, you are wrong, he is a Malamute and I have the paperwork to prove it.” I also had him licensed in that city as a Malamute. The guy looked at me as I walked off to get my boy.
This is the type of person that would be allowed to take our pets from us with no reason if this stuff passes. If this stuff had been in effect at that time I would not had been allowed to get my boy out even with my paperwork. My boy was no danger to anybody, he was a 120 pound good natured happy creature, he didn’t like humans, but he wasn’t going to bite or maim them, he just showed indifference and would move away from them much like me which is why we loved each other so much.*LOL* But the fears and shortsightedness of that animal control person was alarming, he obviously didn’t know much about wolves or wolfdogs yet he was charged with enforcing laws/rules that deal with them, he had a preconceived notion of what they are like and it was wrong.
What is the answer? I don’t know. People that breed them improperly, do not properly treat and raise them and hunters who kill them should in fact be punished, but no matter which way we turn it can be taken too far. There is no way it seems to change the way people think about animals, especially ones surrounded by so much myth that is untrue, many people will not listen. Many believe regular dogs are not to be treated the way they treat humans, meaning they won’t let a dog in the house or sleep on their bed or get on a couch, and there seems to be no way to change their attitudes, we can try and educate them, but that is about it. Wolves in particular strike fear in many people just from their size and their appearance, yet those of us that actually know them know they are not a danger and would prefer to have nothing to do with humans most of the time except for those they learn to love. Many are shy and fearful of humans, rightfully so unfortunately. But fear in humans is powerful, many cannot control their own fears and demons and will never see the truth. Some, a few, can learn and overcome their preconceived notions, can learn to not be afraid of a large ferocious looking creature and to learn what those creatures are truly like, get past the cover of the book. Unfortunately we seem to be in a minority. I was brought up loving large dogs and to respect the wolf and other large predators, so my mindset was different to begin with. I already had an affinity for these creatures before actually meeting one for the first time. I did not fear large dogs that were actually vicious by training as such I did not carry over fear to other dogs of the same breed that were not trained that way and certianly did not base how the animal was as an individual by how it looked.
I don’t know the answer, how to get the bad people regulated and punished, but not those of us that care for them deeply and love them and raise them properly. Some people just should not be allowed to have pets as well, we have all known somebody like that. But how do we stop them and not have it taken too far as to stop us from having our cherished companions, our family members.
All I do know is we can’t let this proposed regulation pass, from there, I just don’t know.
This is ridicoulous ! It’s bad enough that Fish & Game is going into Griffith Park & Killing any coyote they happen to trap, Because people are feeding them.
Why aren’t they posting signs warning of the dangers of feeding wild animals, as well as educating people on how big of an Impact we have on these animals by feeding them ?
Now Fish & Game want to be able to confisticate any animal that might have Wolf in them ? That’s every dog!
Unbeleivable !
Rather than take the easy way out and ban what looks “wolfy” based on bias and fear -why not do the RESPONSIBLE thing and use the laws already on the books to go after those that have, keep or sell ANY animals in an unfit enviroment?
Banning a breed or look has NEVER proven to be productive. It , in and of itself, is biased – subjective – unenforceable – and probably unconstitutional.
Someone from F&G better go look at the evolution of the wolf to see just what breeds of dog are involved here. Like California has the $$$ to put this into practice………GO ARNOLD and TIPPI!!!!!!!!
here’s a copy of the letter I sent to the hearing – and to all of our dog-loving friends . . .
Commissioners, California Fish and Game
1416 Ninth Street, Box 944209
Sacramento, California 94244-2090
09-21-2009
Re: Proposed Regulation Section 681, Title 14, California Code of Regulations
Dear Commissioner:
Please accept these comments opposed to the proposed regulation for Section 681, Title 14, California Code of Regulations concerning hybrid animals and plants.
I agree that regulations are needed to facilitate the Fish And Game Department personnel to regulate dangerous situations and for the betterment of society as a whole. However any proposed regulations concerning hybrid animals should regulate the humans that do not responsibly care for, treat, or breed these animals – not the animals themselves.
The confiscation and destruction of these animals, and the effect on the people who care for these animals in a responsible manner does not serve the betterment of society. As such, I feel the proposed regulation is seriously flawed and would be more detrimental than beneficial.
Wolves and dogs are the same species. They are all Canis Lupus. In 1993 the zoologists of the world dropped “familiaris” as there is no scientific or medical reason to retain it as there is no way to separate them. All dogs are wolves, just different breeds. Every breed of dog started out as a hybrid at one time or another. There was no Poodle and no Pomeranian. They were bred by humans by bringing two existing creatures together, in the same manner as wolf dogs are created as a breed, not a species.
The test of a species is if two animals can mate and produce fertile offspring. Any member of the Canis family can do that because they are all the same species. The USDA considers vaccination approval by species, not breeds and therefore wolf dogs are eligible for vaccination. Most wolf dogs in California are not ½ dog and ½ wolf from wild wolves, but are the result of wolf dog to wolf dog breeding, several generations removed from any captive wolf breeding.
Raising a wolf-dog is no different than raising any other type of dog, except that wolf dogs with more wolf in them make lousy guard dogs. They are naturally timid and much less likely to guard a property. With love and care, they are family members with much less tendency to attack strangers than most dogs.
No one wants to engage in profiling certain animals such as wolf dogs, Akitas, German Shepards, Malamutes etc, most of which are of a gentle disposition. We fight profiling in humans which can lead to discrimination and, in this case, the genocide of an animal breed.
If regulations need to be passed, they should include a regulatory code for the breed, set guidelines for ownership and training, and establish a system for the issuance of permits (income for CA, rather than the expense of this proposed regulation) to care for them.
Please do not let this flawed proposed regulation pass. It would cause far more harm than good.
Thank you,
Signature, registered voter
Please send me a link to the actual proposed legislation.
Many thanks…
Cherie
Hi Cherie,
You can find the links to the full text (and excerpts from) the proposed legislation on the page marked: “The Proposed Legislation” in the menu.
Best,
Admin
california is supposed to be the most liberal place in the world & an example to lead other border-line countries away from destruction by close enemies.
imagine if south africa was to suffer from this new pet legislation of california , because of course out here , the govt would like to kill all pets entirely , if given half a chance.
Anyone who knows anything about domestic canines, knows that if you go back far enough in their geneology, they are all descendance of wolves. To give people the power to indescrimintivily seize peoples property is not only wrong but illegal. Law enforcement cannot sieze property without a warrant per the 4th amendment to the constitution, protecting the citizens against the right to the siezure of property without due cause. Like one other person stated, these buerocrats need to get their heads out of their asses and leave animal issues to those who actually know something about them.
This kind of legislation is incredibly dangerous, not to mention unconscionable. I had a wolfdog for 13 years; she was the love of my life. She was 85% wolf, 15% siberian husky; she had her Canine Good Citizen certification, and was a therapy wolf. When she was 3 years old, I got a purebred sibe from a champion show kennel. I would walk them together all the time, everywhere. Almost everyone who stopped to comment, pointed to the Siberian and asked if he was a wolf! ~ and I realized most people have no clue what a wolf actually looks like. As anyone who has owned a wolfdog knows, they are high-maintainance friends, which is why I do not currently own one. I do Northern Breed Rescue: we rescue siberian huskies, alaskan huskies, Malamutes, Samoyeds, and mixes of these breeds. We do not rescue wolfdogs, but refer other rescues to those dogs. I have known and handled literally hundreds of these dogs, including wolf hybrids and pure wolves that I have known over the years. The only dog who has ever bitten me was a chihuahua!
The local shelter has been wonderful in working with my rescue. Over the years (and the reason I got involved in rescue) as I checked the shelter for dogs we could take in, I saw many husky mixes who were labeled as wolves!!! One rescue who managed to open my gates and escape was a gorgeous red and white with blue eyes; yup, I found her labeled as a wolf at the shelter the next day! When I told them truthfully that I had her papers and she was a purebred Siberian, they had the good grace to be embarrassed. But most shelters are not as wonderful as the one I personally work with.
This legislation will cost the state a fortune, as everyone sues for the loss of their “property”.
On the hybrid ban in calif. have you guys tried to get some media coverage? across the us so maybe there would be a bigger inpacked on this issue that is extremely important to all Americans that own and love dogs of all breeds.I would think this would also consurn the AKC KENNEL CLUB OR MEMBERS & THE UKC KENNEL CLUB even if they are for pure breeds only they still have the malas.,sibreans,ect. I would think they would beable to also help make a big stink to the law makers not to pass the ban it hurts therir members and what they stand for.Oh and the rescues possibly in CA & WA PLUS EVERY WHERE ELSE I know alaska has lots of huskies and malas and mixes out there in shelters and rescues
well just want to give you some ideals to maybe help get this issue trashed 4ever
howls and hugs
Cherri
take care
Hello. I was reading this legislation and I agree that it has the potential to be abused against pet owners, but the changes are at heart seemingly well intended with the intent to stop poaching (primarily of nautical species it looks like). I’m signing the petition because I don’t think the burden of proof should be on the defense in such a situation as this involving household pet animals. We need to encourage our legislature not to drop this legislation entirely, but rather to more clearly target what is intended here, namely to prevent the taking and possession of game animals beyond limits and to eliminate the loopholes that are used by poachers to evade prosecution for their actions. The probelm with the proposed changes is that it does not clearly exempt pets and domesticated animals from possible arbritrary confiscation.
If anyone can pull it off…I spoke to a friend of mine who deals with the media on a regular basis. She said that tv stations’ budgets have been cut so drastically, that you would have to do your own video and send it to them. She said animals stories and video with people and their dogs would sell. I don’t have any way to do this, but if someone could Youtube it and send the tv stations the link, it might be effective. It’s a thought
what is wrong with our country? We have a bunch of idiots (and I’m being nice with that word) in too many high places. why don’t people remember this stuff at election time instead of believing all the lies they tell when campaigning?
C’mon you Californian’s remember this stuff come election time. If its not stopped in CA it will spread all across the country
I’m not sure if you were kidding but if not well, California is not the most liberal by any stretch. They may have been at one time but not anymore. And that was before the Ban Praposa.
Scott
When there are so many dogs in need of good homes why in the world would anyone choose to reverse the domestication process and breed dogs and wolves??
My message is simple. You Caliifornia State Bureaucrats seem to forget who you work for and by whom you are paid. I trust my furry Arctic canine daughter with my life more than I would ever trust you with our coffers since you seem to excel at misappropriating my tax dollars on sensless and useless issues such as this. Here’s a thought Mr and Mrs Politician and Government Regulators. How about doing something more constructive like doing something about the growing welfare recipient problem and thus diverting badly needed revenues to more worthy causes such as the infrastructure? Maybe you should be spending a little more time tackling real issues confronting California instead of nonsensical ones such as this. No wonder good people are leaving this state by the droves. Keep it up and all you will have left in this state are a bunch of entitlement mentality, non contributing whinners with no tax base to foot your bills. You California State politicians are so out of touch with reality it’s scary.
Jeff Van Tassel
What will Calif do next! I am ashamed tos ay I am from Calif.
What a mess we have in OUR state.
Wolf dog and thier look alikes should be at the bottom of any issues Calif has.
Get rid of the illegals and close up the borders and leave the animals alone. This is the least of Calif problems.
All us wolf dog owners and all others whos dog MIGHT look like a wolf or wolf dog need to unite and teach others ..”"”there are No bad dogs..just BAD owners”"”"!
My wolf dog adores kids and they love him and all people. He is a celebrity at our Canine club. He has the ability to smell sickness in people. My 357 and I will not allow ANYONE to take MY special dog!
No one has that right especially in California to take someones property without shown cause.
Californian born,
God Help us all,
Patty Peek
Rather then kill because, Does it make more sense to have everyone who works with these animals take an Animal Behavior course, This would include but not be limited to Law enforcement & Animal Control agencies ?
This is a VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
THIS CAN SPREAD TO OTHER STATES AND OTHER BREEDS. Pets can be confiscated from your HOME and killed. Hard to believe but it has happened in other states…this is no longer a free country for pet owners.
Please fight this bill with all you have! I have owned wolfdogs for over 16 years, they are family memebers…sleep in our beds and are the JOY of our life!
Please FIGHT THIS!! This is CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT… TO THE ANIMALS AND FAMILY MEMBERS/OWNERS WHO LOVE THEM!
THESE WOLFDOGS ARE MY CHILDREN..AND THEY ARE GOING TO GRAB THEM FROM MY ARMS…FROM MY PROPERTY… AND KILL THEM???……PLEASE HELP US FIGHT THIS!! Linda
No One, and I mean No one will take our animals away from my kids or wife. There will be a major fight on that persons hands if that is attempted. Our Dogs like so many others out there, are part of the family. They watch over us in so many different ways, that they act almost human at times.
As other people have stated, these politicians, should I say all politicians should sit back and think about whats going on in Country, this State especially! This family has had enough!
Why don’t we ban bad dog owners, bad cat owners, bad horse owners and bad parents instead of assuming that an animal, of any kind is bad. Are we going to start a wolf-dog holocaust? Not every hybrid is bad. Perhaps there should be tighter regulation on who owns wolf-dog hybrids.! Why should any animal lose it’s life due to foolishness, assumptions and stereotypes!
I am so torn, because on the one hand so many pit bull banners would be affected & that would be ironic/poetic justice. After all they called bullbreed owners fanatics when they warned their dogs would be next. Well look how right the fanatics were. But I am not so blind & selfish as they are. I realize that this is an attack on liberty just like any breed ban.